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TRUE CRIME, SERIAL KILLERS AND THE LIGHTER SIDE OF KEITH ROVERE.

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IN THIS EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW BONGLIZARD BLOG CHECKS INTO THE FASCINATING WORLD OF TRUE CRIME WITH KEITH ROVERE : Anyone out there who has an interest in any aspect of true crime, serial killers, notorious cases of criminal history and infamous cases of murder and mayhem will no doubt want to find out who Keith is. If you are not yet aware of Keith's work then proceed with caution as he deals with some of the most significant figures in the history of true crime.


I was fortunate to carry out some art projects for Keith a few years ago and since then we have remained in contact and are equally appreciative of each others work. This is how this blog came about as I wanted to know more about his career and find out a few views on things as well as giving Keith a voice to let you know about his line of work as it really is incredible. Through out this exclusive interview you will see and learn why Keith has a concept that aims to help those on the inside. Keith is also responsible for the best true crime serial killer orientated podcast out there. I highly recommend you check out THE LIGHTER SIDE OF SERIAL KILLERS where Keith streams conversations with incarcerated individuals that delve into the cases they are responsible for. It will no doubt entertain the darker side of the psyche where most people are afraid to go, Keith will take you there and back.


KEITH ROVERE
KEITH ROVERE

Hi Keith, A great welcome it's really great to finally arrange an interview so thanks again for staying untuned with the new Bonglizard Blog! Its cool to actually get to find out a few things about your career so without further notice lets get into it.


1 - Can you explain exactly what it is you do for those who are reading about you for the first time?


I have been involved in prison outreach and rehabilitation most of my life. I realized that people showing kindness and unconditional love to those who have really never felt it was what was really working and changing people's lives around. And the prison systems that focus more on a positive reinforcement reward based system was what worked way more than the threat of punishment and fear. So I started reaching out to some of the most violent offenders and different prison facilities around the country to find out what they thought worked best. The vast majority said they are not deterred by fear but they were motivated by a reward based system for example if you don't get any write-ups for a month you'll have extra time on the phone or an extra dessert or even even extended visitation time with friends and family. Could even be extra time on an Xbox or the ability to play one in the first place. Dennis Rader known as BTK was someone who was controlled by reward specifically an extra pudding with his meals if he stayed well behaved and then act up to the guards. 

So I started a podcast having some of these men and women call the show and talk about it. I have famous serial killers call the show another famous violent offenders including Charles  Manson member Bruce Davis. It used to be called the lighter side of serial killers but have recently changed the name to the letter side of true Crime. I've written books also but the podcast is mine focus promoting the Norway style of prison which is the reward-based positive system. They have the lowest recidivism rate in the world now under 15%. American recidivism rate is over 70%. That is the chance someone is going to reoffend within 5 years of getting out prison.


2 - Why and how did you get into the prison system to help with inmates?


I started locally with an aftercare program in the South Jersey /Philadelphia area. From there I started going into the local prisons to help with basic skills and Bible studies. Then I started pen paling people around the country to build relationships with people to encourage them to stay strong and positive. Letting them know there's always an organization or group out there they can help you get back on their feet if you truly want it. 


3 - Did you always have an interest in true crime?


I always liked watching a good mystery or gangster movie on TV but I wouldn't say always interested in it. It wasn't until I built relationships up with countless famous violent offenders and serial killers around the country that I realized that was in the middle of it. They would send me gifts like artwork or personal items for holiday time or my birthday or just as a thank you for something I might have helped them out with. Then I realized I kind of have a true crime museum here in the house with the countless items I have. Then I start up seeing programs that you were a part of like Serial killer Culture and realized it's actually a thing. There's a market for memorabilia from some of these men and women and then realize that although I wasn't starting a collection, I actually had one that was fairly large as I probably have hundreds of pieces of artwork and countless personal items that have been sent to me. Let alone probably at least 10 five inch binders filled with letters. Even though I'm technically part of the true crime culture which is fine by me it's still really about rehabilitation and finding out what works to help men and women get back on their feet once released or people like David Berkowitz or other serial killers who are never getting out of prison, helping them to have a new mentality so they can still help people who are going through the same thing they were going through and they can reach out through podcasts like mine. For example Wayne Adam Ford is never getting out of prison yet he has helped a few people who had the same urges to kill as he had. He has helped them more than any counselor can do since he has been there done that. Kind of wild to think but he's actually helping prevent future serial killers in his own way. It's currently somebody he's helping now through me that's been a big help for her. And yes I said her. Of course there's medication and therapy that's extremely important but there's something special when you can talk to somebody who has the same urges that you have in can tell you what has worked in his life specifically. 

 So it's still all about positive change and although there's no cure for psychopathy and certain brand abnormalities , we are learning certain things of what can help corral them so to speak through positive reinforcement. Fire example, studies have shown that fish oil has also helped calm a psychopathic mind and extreme violent offenders. The countries that eat twice their body weight in fish every year have the least amount of violent crimes in the world. The countries that eat only a little fish have the most amount of violent crime.  so baby steps but you are learning more about what calms the psychopathic violent mind


TEX WATSON
TEX WATSON

4 - What was your first true crime case you read or heard of that made you want to work within the system of dealing with the incarcerated where you believe you could make a difference?


Charles Manson case. One of the first people I reached out to with notoriety was Charles Tex Watson. I was amazed that he wrote me back so quickly. My background is Christianity and I heard he was a Christian so we hit it off right away. I was amazed that he has such a positive outlook now and it was so remorseful. His website has reached thousands of thousands of people for positive change around the world. So he was the first one. The next was Bruce Davis also of the Manson family. Very similar he has a faith-based foundation now so we also hit it off and Bruce has been on my podcast a few times. 

Then it was David Berkowitz. I have done multiple projects with David now and he has changed his name from the son of Sam to the Son of Hope. He also has a Christian website that has reached thousands and thousands of people for positive change.

Tex and David have made an extreme positive change in the life of countless people through their websites. Which proves my argument that even though somebody might never get out of prison they can still make a difference in people's lives. If somebody like them can change their life around then there's hope for everyone.


5- Who was the first inmate you made a connection with?


As far as anybody with notoriety it was Charles Tex Watson . We still talk on a weekly basis. And hopefully it will be paroled when it comes up next. For that matter I still talk to Bruce Davis at least a few times a month. Recently he told me he was engaged. So hopefully the next time he comes up for the board he will be released


6 - How many prisoners do you have contact with or coerce with in general?


On a steady basis probably about 50 or so a week. But countless in total over the years. Luckily people have tablets now so we can talk multiple times a day and even video chat and have phone calls. When I started out all you had was a pen and a piece of paper and you're luckily if you talked to them once every few months. 


7 - Can you elaborate on who you talk with on a regular basis ? 


Too many to list but some of the ones I talked to on a daily basis that you might recognize would be David Carpenter, William Howell Dana Gray, Paul Durousseau, Joseph Danks, Pearl Fernandez, Robert Yates, Louise Turpin, Wayne Ford, James Daveggio, Elizabeth Downs, Elizabeth Broderick, Todd kohlhepp, William Sapp, Robert bardo, Wesley Shermantine, Martin Kipp, Eric Houston to name a few I speak to you on a daily and weekly basis. 


DENNIS RADER : BTK


8 - Out of all who fascinates you the most?


BTK definitely fascinates me the most and I wish I had a closer relationship with him to get to know him better. I only speak to him maybe once or twice a year though. Got a nice Christmas card and some artwork last Christmas from him. I get a decent amount of letters every week even though mostly things are emailed through digital means now. But Dennis Rader is the only one that I still get a little goose bumps when I see his letter in my mailbox. Most letters I get, I'll wait till after dinner or maybe the next day to open up. But his letter comes through I stop everything and open it to see what he has to say. 


9 - Who is or was the most easy to get along with?


Honestly most of them. Once you break through to them and they realize you're not out for an autograph or you want a hand tracing or some artwork to sell online but you actually want to build a true relationship with them, crazy thing is you'll find out that they're going to care about you more than most of your friends on the outside. The bond you make with some of these men and women are stronger than you can possibly imagine. I'm not ignorant to what they have done but most of these men and women do not have anybody including friends or family who talk to them anymore because of what they have done. So now when they realize they have somebody you're truly wants to get to know them who knows their secret, it's very easy to talk to them. And for some they rely on me for the majority of their personal items or quarterly packages when they're allowed to receive them. So they're reliance on you is vital to their existence in some ways. But I would say William Howell and Eric Houston, who was one of the early school shooters, are the two that I can probably say are the easiest to talk to and I would and the closest to. There's only a few that are a little tricky because of their mental illness. But they're all easy to talk to once you break through the initial wall. 


10 - From a religious perspective how does what you do benefit the incarcerated when it comes to helping them understand the nature of the crimes that have happened?


For my perspective it's going to be a Christian one as most of the people that I've talked to who are religious are Christians. I don't bring up the crimes unless they want to talk about it which is pretty rare for the most part. If we're talking about brain abnormalities like psychopathy then they are incapable of empathy so they're not going to be able to empathize with the victims or realize the full extent of what they have done of course. Some know they do have a problem that is not curable as of now like Wayne Adam Ford who turned himself in. But those who have turned to faith at least have a better understanding of sin. And they realize what they have done is selfish on their own part. They might not be able to empathize but at least they know now what sin is and they were not created to be this way. It's more of a spiritual awakening than an empathetic revelation. That's only something that God can do in their hearts. If God created the world and everything in it he can certainly soften the heart of the most violent offender. Sometimes people ask me and give me a hard time about why I do what I do. I actually quote a biblical verse from the book of Luke when they're talking about Jesus and they said of him.. "He is kind to the ungrateful and to the evil" and "it's not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick" 

So who am I not to try to help if Jesus himself reached out to those who need it the most.


OUT NOW!


 11 - Your book Serial killers in heaven and victims in Hell? gave a very interesting and informative view on how infamous killers could possibly be forgiven for the crimes committed in respect to the heaven and hell theory, is this something you still believe in the more you talk with them?


The reason I wrote that book is multifaceted. I tried to keep my opinion out of the book and let the reader decide on if they believe the person's faith is genuine or if it's just a show for a parole board. It's not a how to become a Christian book. I do later foundation of what it means to be one So the reader can make an educated guess on if the person truly believes the faith he has professed. Another reason was to debunk the myth that if you are a good person you go to this place called heaven. Again only from the Christian perspective this certainly is not true as according to the Bible there are no good people. Everyone born has been separated from God and is going to a place that was initially prepared for the devil in his angels commonly referred to as hell or eternal separation from God. The only way we can bridge the gap back to God or receive salvation as they say is to acknowledge that one is a sinful person and cannot enter heaven by the good works but only through faith in Jesus. He lives the perfect life and when he died on the cross spiritually it was an act that God took everyone's sin and imputed them into Jesus and then God crushed Jesus on the cross and punished him for the sins of the world. So something called the Great exchange happened. Those who believe in Jesus received the holy Spirit that lives inside of them and in return every sin we have ever done and ever will do gets imputed to Jesus when he was on the cross. The only people who are going to enter the kingdom of heaven are those who lived a perfect life. You can understand why there's no such thing as a good person entering heaven because no one has ever been perfect. But one one is filled with the holy Spirit and they stand in front of God on judgment day all he is going to see is the holy Spirit living inside of you who is perfect and say welcome good and faithful servant enter into the joy of the Lord. Again I'm not saying this to be preachy but I'm just laying the foundation of what it means to be a Christian. So the title of the book has a very important question mark at the end of the title. I truly repentant Man or woman who has killed multiple people can receive salvation if they truly repent. While one of their victims has horrifying as an event has happened to them will never enter the kingdom of heaven if they do not repent. The myth is that the world can look at somebody who has never committed a crime, got honour roll their entire school life, donated all their money to the poor and maybe even receive the Nobel Peace prize. But in God's eyes they're separated from him and they're evil. So that was the second point that they're no good people in this world and no one can earn their salvation. So it's eye-opening for people who claim to be Christian but really never read the Bible or followed the teachings of Christ or even know what the hell he's even said. 

As far as me knowing who was a Christian who is not a Christian that can get a little tricky sometimes. Somebody can memorize the Bible and preach one heck of a sermon but still not be a Christian. When you are incarcerated most people look to a higher power. Mostly for a fear of death and hell if it's something they think might exist. Since no one else forgives them they say yeah I believe that Jesus is God and he is the power to forgive sins I want that. What was the Bible says the devil believes that Jesus is God but he certainly not entering the king of heaven so it's a lot more than just believing somebody exists. So it does take a little time to know somebody's heart and if it's pure or not in their faith. Prison's a little tricky because you're very limited of how you can commit crime. You certainly can get in trouble in prison but someone on death row it does not have access to women or the ability to commit murder when you're not around other people can easily say they don't have the urge to kill when the opportunity is not there. 

The Christianity is about love. Just like it's pretty easy to tell if a man truly does not love his wife or his girlfriend by the way he talks about her, after spending a lot of time with somebody it's very similar by the way they talk about Jesus if they truly love him or think he's a magic genie that will grant him salvation. 


 MY ART FOR THE GENESIS PROJECT - THE TIME LAPSE FILM CAN BE SEEN HERE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzBOGpDNq7c
MY ART FOR THE GENESIS PROJECT - THE TIME LAPSE FILM CAN BE SEEN HERE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzBOGpDNq7c

12 - A few years ago I was fortunate to be part of the Genesis art project you curated. This entailed various chosen individuals to create a piece of art for you based upon the biblical verse. Who was involved all together and can you elaborate on why you asked them? 


A very important scripture is early in the book of Genesis prophesying the good will overcome evil and promising that a Messiah will crush Satan one day. So I asked yourself and a few other of my favourite true crime artist to do their interpretation of a cross going through the head of a serpent. I ended up with some really amazing pieces. Some of my favourites were The Happy Face killer Keith Jesperson, Dana Gray, Nico Claux,  and Charles Reinhardt. There have been others not quite as famous so to speak and anyone in the future who I believe is a good artist I will certainly ask them for their interpretation also.


13 - How did this idea come to you?


If I'm not mistaking it was because of you. I saw you on serial killer culture series and thought I have to have something by this guy! Just your style blew me away completely. I clearly had that Bible verse in mind or at least the concept of good overcoming evil and told you here's my thought about it and the one thing I would never want to do is tell an artist what to do. I like to give them an idea and let them work their magic. And then after I saw the piece of you created that's when I kind of got the idea let's ask a few other people who's artwork I loved and see what they can create but I believe even if a concept was from watching serial killer culture and your appearance on the show.


'ONE HELL OF A KILLER POKER GAME' This was the second painting I created for Keith's gallery.

WATCH THE TIME LPASE FILM HERE : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p1Mvr9BOns


14 - You asked me for a painting of various true crime figures in hell playing poker which I personally loved creating for you, it was fun to do. When and where did that concept come from?


Honestly I just wanted another piece from you! I remember seeing all of your work and different serial killers throughout your collections and wanted to try to capture some of the more famous people in one setting. I think initially most of the ones were dead that I was thinking about so instantly I thought of something spiritual like hell. And obviously it's not exactly a biblically accurate scenario but what would serial killers be doing in hell if they had the freedom. Why play poker of course! And talk about the good old days so to speak. And then not just let you take it from there


15 - You have a large collection of art pieces from various infamous true crime figures. Which painting or piece is your most valued for aesthetic purposes due to the artwork imagery that was produced?


There's one piece that unfortunately I can't talk about because the person would get in serious trouble for doing this for me. Let's just say there's a certain symbol he's not allowed to use anymore, and because I helped him out with a major personal issue with the family member It was a big thank you to me even though he risked so many things to do it for me. It's a bummer because I can't really talk about it and definitely can't share it with everybody online. But it's a huge piece of artwork and the only hand I'll give is 😊


16 - What has been the weirdest gift or item you have received from an inmate?


That's an easy one. Hadden Clark nicknamed of the cross-dressing Cannibal. He's been on my podcast a few times and we're currently working on a new one now. He has some major mental health issues and is one of the ones that it's a little tricky to talk to. But he has sent me so many random things like a used mini toothbrush, q-tips with ear wax, recently he sent me a self-portrait that he drew with beard shavings that he said I can glue onto his face, Band-Aids from a covid shot, and more recently a used plastic utensil with crumbs and a peach pit. He's also sent me some personal items like his yamaka hat, a wool hat, his glasses and a pair of boxer shorts. I also probably have over 400 pieces of artwork from him. You never know what's coming in the mail when you see his name on the box! 


17 - Your podcast is very informative and really like nothing else out there as you have such relaxed conversations with infamous killers. Does it or has it ever affected you mentally when you are told about an horrific crime for the first time from the person who did it?


Great question which I get asked a lot. I have been involved in one sort of prison activity or another most of my life. So I'm kind of numb to it all and to be honest I can relate to then on some level because I don't really feel empathy much myself. I certainly have never had the urge to kill and I definitely have the emotion of fear let alone hate the sight of blood and needles! For some reason I have a very hard time feeling empathy unless it's about animals. I can't even want to commercial watching a dog in a kennel but you can tell me the most horrific things you have done to somebody and I won't blink an eye. That's probably why I can do what I do. They don't often go into details of the crimes but the happy face killer Keith Jesperson was one of the few that wanted to do a podcast for each one of his victims. Then he went into very detailed descriptions of the murders and the disposing of the bodies. But it really doesn't affect me at all. I do what I do for future victims as the first chapter of my first book goes into detail that everything I do is for future victims and to help stop potential crimes and hopefully get more of understanding of a psychopathic mind. 

Hadden Clark and I are currently recording a new episode where he's going into detail for the first time in ages about his two crimes and the ones he's has been suspected of. You're going to hear things that he made this young girl do before she was killed that is pretty horrifying. Those things I guess just bounce off me or somebody else might fall ill. But I think it's important for the public to know what really went on as most documentaries don't have access to these men and women like I do and there's a lot of guessing and speculation going on. 

There's been a few times where I woke up from a dream or a BTK was strangling me and something like that might pop into a dream here and there but for the most part I'm not concerned about any of them because a lot of these men and women rely on me not just for support but for a lot of personal needs. There's been one or two that I broke contact off with but never have been in fear of everything as it never got too serious. 


18 - Have you faced any backlash or negative reactions from doing the work you do? 


Not as much as one would think. From a distance if somebody hears I'm chumming it up with serial killers on a podcast of course they're going to think the worst. But if they actually listen to what I say and do a little of research of why I do what I do then they understand. They still might not agree with it totally but at least they understand the foundation of what I do is all for positive change. 

I can tell somebody until I'm blue in the face that the Norway prison system that is a reward-based system is the most beneficial way to prevent violent offenders from committing more violent crimes once they get out of prison. But tell that to a victim or a victim's family member that you going to be kind and reward of violent offender for doing harm to a family member. That's not always going to fly as I completely understand but my argument back would be if that offender is going to be your neighbour when they get out of prison after serving 25 years, who do you want to come out. Somebody who is now twice the monster as they were when they went in because they have been punished and borderline tortured in prison All these years or somebody who now knows kindness and love and compassion because they were treat it as human beings and through counselling and reward-based system they are a new man or woman who can now be productive members of society and no longer have the urge to commit crimes. 

But even the most hardcore true crime fan still has a hard time when I have somebody on the show who has committed a crime regarding a little child. Pearl Fernandez for example or Louise Turpin. Although I have not had him on my podcast We have corresponded countless times and he was part of my first book and that was the murder of John Lennon Mark David Chapman. The words of my father still ring out... "he killed a Beatle" And I can't really make an argument against that...


19 - Have you had any issues with the prison system when it comes to doing the interviews and releasing the content online ?


Some prison facilities do not allow them to do podcast or even interviews publicly so I wouldn't even have the opportunity to do so if I wanted to for some of those men and women. For example Todd Kohlhepp. We have been writing for many years but he's not allowed to do interviews or podcasts. He's actually treated extremely cruel by his facility. Probably treated the worst out of anybody I know. He just released a new book And would have loved to come on to the podcast but he is just not allowed. 

The only prison employees that I have talked to was the parole board for Bruce Davis. The only real concern that they had was the name of my podcast at the time which was the lighter side of serial killers. Did not like the fact that he was on a show with that name. One of the reasons it was denied parole sadly enough. That wasn't the reason I changed the name to the lighter side of true crime. I changed the name because there are some serial killers who don't want to come onto a show with the name serial killer on it. But I explained to San Quentin's parole board that even when Bruce was on the show we primarily talked about positive change in his life and how his faith has changed everything. Yes we did talk a little bit about Charlie and how he meant him but nothing negative and nothing about the crimes. But aside from that I've never heard anything negative from any facility.


20- This is quite intense question but Its known that Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon. Are you a Beatles fan? and if so how did this affect your relationship with him?


I mentioned a little bit about Mark in the previous question. I haven't spoke to him in many years. He'll randomly send me a note with a bunch of biblical scriptures but I haven't spoken to him one-on-one in many years. I can just say that he was always encouraging to talk to as we mostly talked about faith. Even in my book it was primarily his encouraging words about his faith and encouraging me and certain parts of my life. We never really got into the crime but I just tried to keep encouraging him to stay strong and faithful. His wife has been with him for many years and also encourages him. But if you ask my dad if he was still alive he would have a different answer! 


21 - With such an intense line of work how do you unwind or is it a constant work process? 


I actually unwind by talking to them. I do have a 9:00 to 5 job so most of my interactions are in the evening with these men and women aside from answering a couple texts via the prison apps throughout the day. But night time is mostly filled with phone calls and still responding to text and messages. In the summertime if it's a nice day I'm constantly on top of somebody of water with my kayak. That's probably the way I unwind the most. But I constantly need to be fed information. I am an information junkie. I'm constantly watching true crime documentaries learning more about people. Whether it is studies on the human mind or learning about a new person that I might want to write and get to know. People probably think I'm crazy but I unwind by watching True Crime documentaries or phone calls with serial killers.. if things get really stressed in my life for one reason or another there's nothing  a great live Grateful Dead show can't fix! 

Now of course I should say anything serious that comes my way it's always prayer and deep meditation in my faith that solves all my problems.. But speaking on a more surface level true crime docs all the way!

'THE STORY OF YU' IS OUT NOW!


22 - What books have you released so far and where can they be found for purchase?


We talked about my first book already but my second one which I'm even prouder of is called The Story Of Yu. It follows the entire life of someone I saw on a TV show called signs of a psychopath named Yu Masaki. He's currently incarcerated at a Texas facility. Watch season 3 episode 1 and you will get the gist of who he is. The second that episode ended I found his address and wrote him immediately. The more we corresponded the more I realized I have to write a book and this needed to be made into a movie one day. A psychotic schizophrenic with Asperger's. The more we talked the more I realize how many more victims there could have been. But aside from all that my fascination with serial killers is because of the brain abnormalities. I have always said that there are evil people in the world but there are people with brain abnormalities who do evil things. It is those who I am more concerned with. If you're just an evil dude make someone from a gang who gets off on The thug Life that I'm not really interested in you and don't really have much positive things to say about you or care for that matter. I'm more interested in those with brain abnormalities or who have been through a life of abuse who snapped. 

So not only is the book about one man but it dives deep into what makes a person a serial killer. Things that a mother does while she's pregnant can increase the odds by 60% that her child will be a violent offender before his teenage years are over. We follow the life of countless people through longitudinal studies and see what makes them more violent than other people. I include countless studies from some of the most famous universities and neuroscientists in the world. Also dedicate part of the book to the Norway prison system as I interview the warden there. Both books are available on Amazon. 


23 - Is there anyone out there who you would like to communicate with that you have not yet?


Plenty who have passed away. I have spoken to pretty much everybody I wanted to who is alive. One name that really jumps out who I've tried to reach out a few times is a female serial killer named Joanna Dennehy. I would love to be able to spend some time talking to her. I wish I could spend more time with BTK Dennis Rader. But I do have the last letter that he used the moniker and signed his name BTK. He told me he was putting that moniker to bed and won't be signing his name that way anymore. But I pretty much have a relationship with most of those who I want it to.


24 - Is there any other information that we may have not mentioned yet that you would like to elaborate or talk about when it comes to serial killers?


I would just hope everyone would consider those with a psychopathic mind does not work like ours. Not to judge them for the crimes that they do thinking they're just evil. But opening your mind to the possibility that they might not have free will because of the brain abnormalities. When the amygdala portion of the brain is not working properly, they don't have the ability to feel fear, empathy and one thing people don't realize the ability to stop themselves before they do something hurtful. They don't have the stop button like we do. For example if somebody cuts you off on the road you might give them the finger and have a few bad thoughts what you might want to do to them but your brain kicks in and says nah I better not. Or someone bumps your shoulder or was really aggravating you you might first want to slap them but your brain kicks in and you're rationalize that's not a good idea and you back away or back off or walk away. When someone who has no fear and no empathy gets to that same point, their brain does not have the ability to stop themselves if they want to do violence to them. Some abnormalities give them a thirst to kill and they're unable to control it. I'm not saying they're not guilty or should be let out of prison if convicted but we need to look at them differently. We can't say if I was in that position I would never have done that. Of course you wouldn't because you don't have their brain. So I really want people to start questioning somebody's free will. If they truly have the ability not to kill mentally. For example someone with tourette's. They do not have the ability to stop ticking. They don't have the ability to stop their arms and legs from violently flailing around even when people are around them. They do not have the free will to stop because of neurological issues with their brain. So we need to start looking at psychopathy very similarly. Now of course there are psychopaths all around us and will never commit a crime their entire life. They might not feel fear or empathy and never have the urge to do anything negative. But you mix that with childhood abuse or some traumatic event and now you have a recipe for disaster. So I guess my message is letting everybody know that there are evil people in the world but they're people with brain abnormalities who do evil things that need to be studied much much much deeper. It wasn't that many years ago that we thought somebody who was a schizophrenic was filled with demons. Not a medical condition.


25 - Any final words for any readers out there on how to reach you or check out your online content? 


I would encourage everybody to check out my podcast on Spotify The Lighter Side Of True Crime. I'm working on a YouTube page. The new name of the podcast is up there but some of the episodes still talk about the old podcast name. Some video chats with some famous serial killers. Recently I did a video chat with the Koreatown Slasher Joseph Danks and got the play guitar with him on the video chat live from death row. So tick that one off the bucket list! 

My last chapter of my last book The Story Of Yu is entitled The Story Of You. Basically says how can you make a difference yourself. How can you make this world a better place and do your part. Whether it's getting information in the hands of a young pregnant mother in a bad part of town that which she's putting into her body whether it's nutrition, cigarettes, drugs or alcohol is going to greatly increase her child's odds of becoming a violent offender before he and she is legal age to drive. If you're still in school and you see that weird kid who sits alone at lunch because he's slightly autistic being picked on and bullied, go show him some love by sitting next to him and including him with your friends before he bows all that rage and shoots up the school. It's very easy to find the people you know you have no father and have had a crappy hand dealt with them in life. Go out of your way to show them love and compassion no matter how cool you think you are and how it might be embarrassing by befriending somebody like that especially if they're a little slow or are autistic or another type of brain abnormality. And probably the greatest thing I've learned in all my years of prison outreach, aftercare and ministry is the power of listening. Not just two someone in jail but to your wife, to your husband, to your co workers and friends. Stop talking about yourself for a while and truly get to know your friend. Everybody likes to talk about themselves to find out what they like and ask them about it. Listen listen listen. When someone knows you are a great listener then when they truly have that emotional need that has been bottled up for years and years, they'll be more likely to reach out to you before they put a gun to their head, or reach for that bottle of alcohol to drown their sorrows or jump off a bridge. Be the person that someone can come to and their time of darkest need. One person can make more of a difference in this world and you can possibly imagine by being humble and a great listener. Don't doubt yourself. Even if you made a difference in one person's life, it would all be worth it. 


Thank you for your time Keith, that was amazing.


So there you have it, a truly intense insight into the world of Keith Rovere. Check out his work, follow and support him on all social media platforms. The podcast is a real deep dive into the minds of serial killers and true crime, not to be missed as Keith really gets to know them well. Listen with caution and turn out the lights, if you dare.



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